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For-profit colleges (University of Phoenix, Kaplan, Corinthian, Le Cordon Bleu, etc.) are in a tizzy over new rules in the works at the Department of Education. In order to be eligible for federal student aid programs—which make up the bulk of for-profit colleges’ revenues—they’re now required to prove that they prepare students for “gainful employment in a recognized occupation.”
The Dept. of Ed. will determine this by looking at graduates’ debt to income ratios. In other words, colleges will have to answer the following questions: how much debt did your students take on and how much are they making now?
If you received training from a for-profit career college or university, Marketplace wants to hear about your experience. Is your debt high and your income low? Or did your training lead you to exactly the kind of wages you had hoped for?
I am a double alumnus of the University of Phoenix and my education led to an increase in my wages. I first graduated by completing a bachelors degree that had eluded me for many years. After graduating I received a promotion and a 12% increase in my income. I was so thrilled with the university that I soon enrolled in an MBA program on my local campus. While the MBA program was intense, I found the experience to be extremely rewarding. After completing my program I was able to change jobs for a 64% increase in my salary. The University is not for everyone, but it certainly allowed me to change my life…
I too graduated for University of Phoenix and I can definitely say that getting my degree has helped my increase my earnings. The job that I have now required a degree and my manager is also an alum of UOP so that gave me even more of an advantage during the interview process. Also, UOP did help prepare me for my career because the instructors who taught my classes worked in the field that I wanted to go in to so I was able to get real world training while I was in school.
Looks like all 3 comments aboce were posted by University of Phoenix (UOP) or its affiliates. Common now! who keeps track of their wage increase in percentage? These comments look fake.
UK,
I can’t attest to the validity of the comments, but I can say that I’m not surprised that all of the responses so far have come from University of Phoenix graduates, as that is the person who would most likely click on the link, which said: “Did you attend the University of Phoenix, Kaplan, or some other for-profit university?”
If you have any follow up questions for any of the people who posted, I encourage you to go ahead and respond to them (in a respectful way, of course).
Thanks for your post.
I graduated from Kaplan University. I quit my job and landed a better job because I earned my bachelors degree. Those who think these schools are at fault are crazy. I would never been able to get my degree without a online school. The economy is bad that is the problem. People who went to Harvard and Yale are having problems finding jobs. Blaming school training is craziness in my opinion you don’t see Yale getting in trouble if one their graduates cant find a job. Focus on the jobs our government needs to focus on jobs instead by over regulating every single industry after another employers cut back over fear. The education industry employees millions if not billions. Now with this rule we probably lost a lot more jobs. Than unemployment hits us hard either way Americans are paying.
In response to UK. I can’t speak for anyone else, but when it comes to my salary I am private with that information. I don’t even tell friends or family how much I make. So I use percentage when it comes to describing my raises. And, I know that no one on this message board knows me either, but it’s just the way I was raised. Besides, why does it matter? A person could fake salary figures as well. Paranoid much UK???
CJ
I attended Platt College. I feel that I received a good solid education, although at one time I probably could have received something similar from a local community college at a much lower cost. (The economic cutbacks have greatly reduced the number of classes offered by public colleges, and there are now waiting lists for the classes comparable to what I took at Platt.)
I do feel that I was mislead by the school about the demand for employees with the skills I gained and about the wages paid to those employees. After applying for 240 jobs and going through 20 interviews, I did get a job, but the wages were no better than previous clerical and customer service jobs that I had.
I also borrowed quite a bit of money to attend the school. Part of the reason for that was that I used the borrowed money to pay basic living expenses while I went to class, things like rent, gas money and groceries since I was having trouble finding a job.
So I’m in the employment field that I always wanted to be in, but not making much money and stuck with a big student loan to pay back. Yeah, basically I was suckered. Shame on me!
I’m a graduate from the Whitehead School of Business, the “working adult school” of the University of Redlands (as in Redlands, CA), in 2000 with a BS in Information Systems. I’m fortunate to have landed a better-paying job as a result of the diploma I earned from Redlands, but I’d have to say I’m more the exception than the rule. (At the time I enrolled in Redlands, I had already earned a computer science AA degree from a community college, which meant I had pretty much fulfilled most if not all of the humanities, language, math, and natural science prerequisites that for-profit colleges “neglect” to tell you are required in order to graduate from their programs.)
My point? The people likeliest to benefit from accelerated degree programs offered by for-profit schools are working individuals who have completed their general education requirements (the “101” subjects offered in the first two years of college). What the slick advertisements don’t tell you is that there is a prodigious amount of writing involved, and the math and writing skills become necessary when it comes time to design and execute your final projects—the more complex, the better. Those who enroll in such programs without decent writing and math skills will find themselves at a real disadvantage and are well advised to hone their skills in a community college first, even if this means postponing one’s enrollment to a for-profit for a number of years.
It may seem like a huge investment in time, but this could spell the difference between graduating with a diploma PLUS a real skill vs. graduating with a diploma just because you showed up for class.
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I graduated from the University of Phoenix (UOP) and I would say that, yes, my degree led to the wages I expected to earn. When I got my degree I also received a increase in pay because of the achievement. In addition, the fact that I attended, or was attending UOP, peaked the interest of my employer, which helped me get the opportunity to land the job in the first place.
These days it is not hard to graduate with high student loan debt. Tuition has increased greatly over the last ten years while incomes have been flat, or decreased slightly. Therefore, I would expect the debt to income ratios to increase. As the old political slogan goes, “It’s the economy stupid.”